1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:01,560 I think most people, 2 00:00:01,560 --> 00:00:02,790 and me as well, 3 00:00:02,790 --> 00:00:04,620 want to stay anonymous. 4 00:00:04,620 --> 00:00:06,180 But, in this day and age, 5 00:00:06,180 --> 00:00:07,910 that's just not possible any more. 6 00:00:07,910 --> 00:00:09,070 How do you feel about 7 00:00:09,070 --> 00:00:10,450 sharing so much data? 8 00:00:12,603 --> 00:00:16,033 Digital Identity Lab 9 00:00:16,033 --> 00:00:17,103 That they know 10 00:00:17,103 --> 00:00:18,673 these sorts of things about you, 11 00:00:18,673 --> 00:00:20,033 that they know who you are, 12 00:00:20,033 --> 00:00:21,913 Google can actually see who you are? 13 00:00:21,913 --> 00:00:23,783 Yeah, that's a weird idea. 14 00:00:24,013 --> 00:00:26,453 But this is life in 2018. 15 00:00:26,453 --> 00:00:28,153 That's just the way it is. 16 00:00:28,153 --> 00:00:29,803 Nothing to be done about it. 17 00:00:29,914 --> 00:00:31,844 What I find a bit tricky is 18 00:00:32,397 --> 00:00:34,697 my financial data, you know? 19 00:00:34,872 --> 00:00:37,422 Yeah, and data about my children. 20 00:00:37,852 --> 00:00:39,532 Out in public, I mean. 21 00:00:40,532 --> 00:00:42,042 When we go on vacation. 22 00:00:42,137 --> 00:00:43,697 When we're away from home. 23 00:00:43,731 --> 00:00:46,181 I wouldn't like it if that was public. 24 00:00:46,256 --> 00:00:48,576 And also data about my health. 25 00:00:48,617 --> 00:00:49,577 I worry about how 26 00:00:49,577 --> 00:00:52,497 future insurance companies might use it. 27 00:00:52,897 --> 00:00:53,897 I'm aware of 28 00:00:53,897 --> 00:00:54,967 how complex it is. 29 00:00:55,207 --> 00:00:57,527 How the internet affects our lives 30 00:00:57,527 --> 00:00:59,617 and gives them new forms is great. 31 00:00:59,897 --> 00:01:00,897 But also... 32 00:01:03,017 --> 00:01:05,237 we also sometimes lose track 33 00:01:05,237 --> 00:01:06,762 of what happens next with 34 00:01:06,762 --> 00:01:08,462 knowing to who, what, and where 35 00:01:08,462 --> 00:01:09,692 the information goes. 36 00:01:10,718 --> 00:01:12,248 Yes, now in principle 37 00:01:12,248 --> 00:01:14,588 you'd want to share as little as possible. 38 00:01:14,588 --> 00:01:16,298 You only want to share 39 00:01:16,298 --> 00:01:18,398 what you're on the internet to share. 40 00:01:18,398 --> 00:01:19,648 You're not on the internet 41 00:01:19,648 --> 00:01:21,788 to share your data with unasked parties. 42 00:01:21,788 --> 00:01:23,688 You're on the internet because 43 00:01:23,688 --> 00:01:26,138 it's the easiest way and the best way 44 00:01:26,138 --> 00:01:27,638 to find information. 45 00:01:27,638 --> 00:01:29,828 And the best way to buy things. 46 00:01:29,828 --> 00:01:31,598 So, in principle, you'd want to share 47 00:01:31,598 --> 00:01:33,008 as little as possible 48 00:01:33,008 --> 00:01:35,358 with as few parties as possible. 49 00:01:35,358 --> 00:01:38,018 And give away as little data as possible. 50 00:01:38,377 --> 00:01:39,987 I can see both sides of it. 51 00:01:39,987 --> 00:01:41,167 On the one hand, 52 00:01:41,167 --> 00:01:43,067 they're doing nothing wrong. 53 00:01:43,067 --> 00:01:44,057 We all create data. 54 00:01:44,057 --> 00:01:45,697 I mean, what do you want to know? 55 00:01:45,697 --> 00:01:46,967 I'm a hard working person 56 00:01:46,967 --> 00:01:48,637 But on the other hand, 57 00:01:48,637 --> 00:01:50,867 the fact that you no longer know 58 00:01:50,867 --> 00:01:52,907 what can be done with it all. 59 00:01:52,907 --> 00:01:54,867 And also that you might know who 60 00:01:54,877 --> 00:01:56,607 you originally shared the data with, 61 00:01:56,607 --> 00:01:57,587 but you don't know 62 00:01:57,587 --> 00:01:59,167 what they are going to do with it 63 00:01:59,167 --> 00:02:01,507 and who they're going to give it to. 64 00:02:01,507 --> 00:02:03,627 That bit I find a bit unsettling. 65 00:02:03,727 --> 00:02:06,187 I'm not surprised by it, but... 66 00:02:09,700 --> 00:02:10,820 I see both sides. 67 00:02:10,858 --> 00:02:12,948 I don't have that big of a problem with it 68 00:02:12,948 --> 00:02:14,818 but they could make mistakes. 69 00:02:14,976 --> 00:02:15,676 Um... 70 00:02:15,922 --> 00:02:18,112 Yeah, that all these organisations 71 00:02:18,112 --> 00:02:19,228 make use of your data 72 00:02:19,228 --> 00:02:21,095 and that they can connect it to you? 73 00:02:21,095 --> 00:02:22,765 That's really dangerous. 74 00:02:22,765 --> 00:02:25,435 Because if you come to The Netherlands 75 00:02:25,435 --> 00:02:26,425 and end up in court 76 00:02:26,425 --> 00:02:28,535 all your data can be linked together 77 00:02:28,535 --> 00:02:30,215 and used against you. 78 00:02:30,215 --> 00:02:30,945 And then 79 00:02:30,945 --> 00:02:32,135 you still have a problem 80 00:02:32,225 --> 00:02:35,595 if you have the 'wrong' skin colour 81 00:02:35,598 --> 00:02:37,738 Even now. 82 00:02:38,246 --> 00:02:40,006 You don't really think about it 83 00:02:40,006 --> 00:02:41,306 and then you look around 84 00:02:41,306 --> 00:02:43,426 and you think, "Oh yeah. Shit. This too?" 85 00:02:43,932 --> 00:02:44,662 Yeah. 86 00:02:45,487 --> 00:02:47,477 Well, especially in this case, 87 00:02:47,477 --> 00:02:49,287 you really have no idea 88 00:02:49,287 --> 00:02:51,137 how many organisations 89 00:02:51,137 --> 00:02:53,147 actually have access to your data. 90 00:02:53,147 --> 00:02:55,927 And that there are many more organisations 91 00:02:55,927 --> 00:02:57,127 than you think 92 00:02:57,127 --> 00:02:58,897 who know exactly where you are, 93 00:02:58,897 --> 00:03:00,007 what you're doing, 94 00:03:00,007 --> 00:03:01,067 and what you've done. 95 00:03:01,067 --> 00:03:04,787 And I just think that's a crazy idea 96 00:03:05,357 --> 00:03:07,517 that you have no control over it. 97 00:03:07,517 --> 00:03:09,747 And I think with digital identity 98 00:03:09,747 --> 00:03:11,887 you'll have even more of this. 99 00:03:11,887 --> 00:03:13,917 It will get easier and faster. 100 00:03:14,553 --> 00:03:16,223 There will be a faster 101 00:03:16,223 --> 00:03:17,843 database about you 102 00:03:17,843 --> 00:03:21,063 that more people will get to see. 103 00:03:21,743 --> 00:03:23,683 See, I'm very comfortable 104 00:03:23,683 --> 00:03:25,373 in discussing my data 105 00:03:25,936 --> 00:03:28,536 or sharing my data with other companies 106 00:03:28,536 --> 00:03:30,516 as soon as they don't harm me. 107 00:03:30,516 --> 00:03:32,046 So it's fine for me 108 00:03:32,046 --> 00:03:33,576 I can share my data. 109 00:03:33,635 --> 00:03:35,955 If I'm honest, I think we're a little 110 00:03:35,955 --> 00:03:37,795 too easy about all of this. 111 00:03:37,795 --> 00:03:39,875 We don't even think about it 112 00:03:39,875 --> 00:03:41,715 because we're speeding through life. 113 00:03:41,715 --> 00:03:42,625 We just go. 114 00:03:43,569 --> 00:03:44,839 But yeah... 115 00:03:45,275 --> 00:03:46,855 I think there really is something 116 00:03:46,855 --> 00:03:48,315 to think about here. 117 00:03:48,315 --> 00:03:50,565 I have the time to make up for 118 00:03:50,565 --> 00:03:52,425 what haven't done well. 119 00:03:52,485 --> 00:03:54,465 But this makes it clear to me 120 00:03:54,465 --> 00:03:56,335 that I need to really think about it. 121 00:03:56,335 --> 00:03:58,295 Want to discuss Digital Identity with us? 122 00:03:58,295 --> 00:04:00,471 Check out our events in the Waag. 123 00:04:00,471 --> 00:04:02,581 digitaleidentiteit.waag.org/events